TWiP #170 – Adobe <3 Microsoft?

On this episode of TWiP, the old gang catches up to chat about new gear and carry around cameras, Microsoft visits Adobe, and Derrick shares his thoughts on his recent trip to Photokina.

Hosts: Frederick Van Johnson, Steve Simon, Ron Brinkmann, & Derrick Story


Ron, Steve and Derrick are back after being away for a few weeks and chat about what they’ve been up to. Derrick was at Photokina and Oktoberfest and  loved every minute of it. The guys also chat about some recent gear that they’ve been either playing with or lusting after including the new X1 from Leica, the D7000 from Nikon, and a new camera from Fuji called the FinePix X100. With all of the announcements coming out of Photokina, the guys also discuss what camera they use as their day-to-day carry around camera when they are not out shooting with their full set of gear. One thing that Frederick thinks is important is that you should always try to have a camera with you as you’ll never know what great shots you’ll get. Ron commented that what’s not an interesting photo yesterday can become extremely interesting 20 years later. He was going through some old photos the other day and ran across one of his little brother and him on the couch and it brought back memories of his old couch. Steve mentions the site www.awkwardfamilyphotos.com which often features embarrassing examples of these old family photos and points out that they are going to be making a television sitcom from it.

Microsoft Visits Adobe
Microsoft CEO Steve Ballmer and his team visited the headquarters of Adobe this week but little if any information about their meeting was announced. Most speculate that the meeting had something to do with Microsoft and Adobe working together on mobile and cloud based initiatives. The guys discuss what this meeting might have been about and what it might mean for the future of Adobe products on the Apple platform. Derrick feels that the Apple market is too valuable to Adobe and points to the recent release of Mac versions of Adobe Elements and Premiere Elements. Ron would like to see some of Microsoft’s photo technologies finding their way into Adobe’s products. Steve does think that Microsoft does have some amazing technologies for photography and thinks a relationship with Adobe could help to bring some of these things to the consumer. Fred still has the anti-Microsoft gene in his blood and doesn’t want to see them taking over the Adobe products and ruining them. Fred would much rather see Apple take over Adobe and bring them into the fold.

Derrick Story Visits Photokina
Derrick was recently at Photokina in Germany and one thing that jumped out at him was some of the differences between shows in the US and this one in Germany. The most popular aisle was the photo backpacks and he was so excited by the enthusiasm of all the photographers who were in attendance. He thinks that it would be a great trip for any photographer to do at least once and you could tie it with a visit to Oktoberfest. Derrick thought Germany was a great place to hang out, it had great transportation, great food, and it was a fun European experience.


QUESTION #1:  Nathalie writes: As I make the transition from hobbyist to professional photographer, I’m realizing that I don’t know nearly enough about color management, and I’m willing to bet that a lot of other people in my boat don’t either!  I would love to see this topic covered on the show. Here are three big questions I have: 1. What is the best/easiest way to calibrate my monitor? 2. I have heard that in terms of color-calibration, it is much better to work from a desktop than a laptop, because the colors are more stable. Is this true, and how important is it? 3. How/ where could I learn more about the basics of color management and calibration? Can you recommend a good website or book?

Derrick: I really like Colorimeters like the Spyder to create an ICC profile. Then you can have more confidence in your output that it will match to the printed output.

Ron: As far as the laptop vs. desktop and stability I don’t think there is a big difference. You might find some higher quality on an LCD monitor. I think the big thing to think about is the final printed output and adjust based on the different mediums. If you’re sending your printing out, start with a few small prints to establish a baseline and once you’re comfortable with the output then you can move on to larger prints.

Steve: I have the Color Munki as my calibration device but I don’t do a lot of printing these days. Some of that color noise that you’ll see on your monitor won’t show up when you print.

Derrick: I think keeping it simple is the best way to go when you’re starting out.



We’re re-thinking the photo missions after the incredible response we received around the camera mugs giveaway from a couple of weeks ago. Stay tuned and we’ll announce more details soon.


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