TWiP #241 – In Deep on Nikon and Adobe

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This week on TWiP: We go in-deep with the Nikon D800 and Adobe announces the Creative Cloud – $50 for “all you can eat Creative Suite”

Hosts: Frederick Van Johnson, Derrick Story, and Dan Ablan

Note: This is portrait photographer Dan Ablan’s first time on TWiP. He brings the perspective of not just a pro photographer, but also a business owner with a studio and retail storefront. Frederick welcomes Dan, and will air an in-depth interview with him soon.

Nikon Announces the D800 & D800E, and we go in-depth

Last week, we covered the release of the Nikon D800, the newest – and somewhat controversial – camera from Nikon. This week, by popular demand, we go in-depth, discussing the D800 and the D800E in much greater detail.

Derrick points out that apparently, the Megapixel Wars aren’t over. He doesn’t think that this camera competes with medium-format backs, as some people have suggested, however. He also feels that though 36MP buys you a lot of resolution, it will be interesting to see how this plays out in terms of processing the images (will people need to buy new computers or bigger hard drives, for example?).

Dan, who shoots with a D3, has been wanting a bump in the megapixel count, since he shoots for up to 60″ canvases at times. Though he does get sharp prints at that size from his D3, the D800 gives him the ability to crop into his images if he needs to. He too, wonders if he needs more storage.

As an aside, Dan says that Amazon now has a projected delivery date of January, 2013 for pre-orders of the D800.

Tune in to the show to hear a far-reaching discussion of the D800, from the lack of an anti-aliasing filter in the “E” variant of the D800 – and whom that version is best for – to the video capabilities of the D800. The panel discusses buying advice, reminisces about the old cameras like the 10D and how they compare to this newest crop of bodies, and more.

Adobe Creative Cloud to Offer CS6, LR4, and 20GB Storage for $50/Month

PetaPixel reports on Adobe’s new Cloud offering.

Adobe’s cloud-based subscription program, called Creative Cloud, now has a price tag: $50/month with a minimum one-year agreement. Subscribing will get you access to the latest version of Adobe’s popular programs (e.g. CS6 and Lightroom 4) without the pain of shelling out big bucks for buying the boxed version and subsequent upgrades.

In addition to receiving updates to the programs as soon as they’re released, you’ll also be given 20GB of cloud storage that can be used for syncing your work.

Frederick is unsure as to whether this is a good deal for folks that don’t upgrade on a regular basis, but thinks it might be for those users who do so with every new release. Derrick thinks it may be a good thing for business owners, since it gives them a fixed cost to factor into their expenses that they can then write off in taxes at the end of the year.

For the average guy, however, the panel feels that this may not be worth it. Frederick points out that most people use perhaps 1/16th of the power of an application like Photoshop, and the general consensus of the guests is the same. In many cases, Frederick says that people don’t really need the latest and greatest version – he’s still on CS3 or CS4, for example.

Dan adds that while it’s sometimes nice to have the the other tools in the Creative Suite, like Illustrator, he’s not sure he wants to spend $600 per year on a subscription. He also adds that many photographers are making do with Lightroom and a few plugins, like Imagenomic’s Portraiture, instead of spending the money on Photoshop.

Listen to the show for more on Adobe’s offering, and the panel’s final recommendation on going with the Creative Cloud versus á la carte.

Listener Questions

Question 1:

Twitter user Richard Simko asks:

I am wondering how many lenses of current Nikon lineup will be able to take full advantage of this 36MP sensor.

Derrick: It will be interesting to see which lenses shine on this system. However, this is a question that will resolve itself in time, once the D800 is out and in the hands of photographers

Dan: Agreed. The quality of the glass will be more apparent with a shot that large – which is why I need to get that 85mm f/1.4 I’ve been looking at.

Question 2:

TWiP forum user JCRenaud asks:

“How important is a full frame sensor to a wedding photographer? Should I stick to cropped sensor and get a second D7000, or should I invest in a D700 or D800?”

Dan: It depends heavily on the kind of wedding photographer you are. If you’re the spray-and-pray, lower-end shooter, you don’t need to invest in the more expensive full-frame body. If, however, you’re doing a lot of high-end work, then the full-frame sensor body makes more sense.

Derrick: It also has to do with your style of shooting. If you need maximum control of things like depth of field, you want the best light-gathering sensor to use with your lenses, and want to shoot wide open, then you should go with a full-frame sensor.

Question 3:

RicTheProf sends us a question via the TWiP Website:

With MobileMe going away in July, do you have a recommendation for an online photo storage alternative? I’m looking for selective viewer access and a seamless (painless)  upload from a Mac.

Dan: We use our own in-house solution, but I know Zenfolio does do this sort of thing. We rarely use an online service for presentation, however.

Derrick: I think Apple will present its own solution to this question. There’s a reason MobileMe didn’t go away immediately, and I think that with the release of the next version of Aperture, Apple will introduce a replacement to MobileMe galleries.

Frederick: Try SmugMug. I’ve been using it for a long time now. It has built-in ecommerce functionality, so you can upload and set pricing differently for different galleries, with great permissions control. Another option for a quick upload is Dropbox, which automatically generates a gallery from images dropped into a folder in your Dropbox.

Picks of the Week!

Derrick: Corel AfterShot Pro

Dan: Magic Window

Frederick: DualEyes  and Levelator

Wrap Up

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  1. OK – must admit I am getting a little tired. Nikon puts out a new camera and TWiP spends two shows covering it. I know that I am a minority as a Sony-shooter, but we are out here – and when Sony announced their current high-end model the A77 it got about 5 minutes of coverage – most of it about how Sony was somehow not a “real” manufacturer. But now when Nikon is releasing a high MP camera (the A77 is 24mp APC – equivalent to the 36 FF in pixel density) it is suddenly a big deal. 

    I think the D800 is interesting – and I do think that MP matters – just as Dan says the ability to crop and so on is important. Not everything is about high ISO. But I am really frustrated with the fanboyism that is crowding techmedia. Yes Canon, Apple and Nikon are big and important – but the other manufacturers are there too. We are people that shoot Sony, use Windows and has an Android-phone – and we still make a living doing visual communication – photo, video and graphics. If the camera does not matter (as is so often said) then why does Nikon, Canon and Apple get all the attention. Why are you a moron if you shoot with anything else than fullframe – unless you shoot with an iPhone in which case you are suddenly God?

    I really wish that TWiP (and other outlets that covers photography and cameras in journalistic ways) would learn to see a broader picture.

  2. Does anyone know if canon will be launching the D5Mark3 this year! I really want to buy a full frame DSLR and I am thinking of switching to Nikon SOON if not????

  3. I think one of the most basic points that was sorta of missed was that the D800 was radically different from the D4, where the D3 and D700 where very similar. I suspect that the the D700 cannibalized part of D3 market. I think Nikon made the D800 more of a studio camera to avoid this. Also the D800 deter some from making the switch to a medium format.

  4. There are a lot of rumors – most of them saying that the line will split into a 5DMark3 and a 5D-X – with different resolutions. Looks like one of them will be very high-res

  5. For those of you who think you might need a new computer to handle the D800’s RAW files, maybe, maybe not. it may be worth a visit to your local Apple Store. 

    The Aperture library that’s pre-installed on all of the computers has a portrait session that was shot with a ~32 MP medium format camera. I was playing around with some of the photos from that set the other day on a 11″ MacBook Air, and was surprised at how well it handled and processed the photos. Was there some lag? Yes, but not much. On a 13″ MacBook Air, it was pretty minimal. 

    So, if you have a fairly new computer that’s more powerful than an MacBook Air, you probably are okay for at least raw processing.

  6. I am shooting 24mp Raw – and working with them on my desktop PC and my laptop (i7 Dell laptop – 2 years old). No problems. I can even process 3-exposure HDR on the laptop in Photomatix or Nik HDR Pro – still no problem. Multilayer Photoshop – still no problem. Full HD editing in Premiere Pro. No problem.

    Of course a 36Mp file will be even bigger – but I dont really think it is that much of a problem. Modern computers have a lot more power than we normally need.

  7. Ok – you asked for some listener comments.  I’m a regular listener and enjoy the balance between  “latest news” and photography methods but there is a lot of Canon v Nikon; Aperture v Lightroom and iphone.  

    It’s great when you get the likes of Tristan (a non-US perspective and a fan of a different manufacturer) and Derrick as he comes across as being very practical and will use the equipment that will work for him – whether that is compact, CSC, dSLR or medium format.  Alex is good from a technical “this is where digital photography could / should go” point of view.

    It would be good to cover different software workflows in a bit of detail, with the different pros and cons of approaches.  And challenging the listeners to look beyond Aperture / Lightroom.  This week’s episode touched on it with Derrick talking about Aftershot Pro.  

    And finally, you need to realise that the law in your country (or even state) is not the same as the law in other countries (or states).  Advice on copyright and the laws around taking photos in public will vary across the world.

  8. Since you guys asked for comments…. 🙂

    I understand that SmugMug is a sponsor, but I would love to hear a show that compares host sites for pros or part-time pros. As a former Smug member, but now embedded happily in Zenfolio, I was a little disappointed at the tone in which Zen was mentioned in this show. And while I do understand you should always stand by your sponsors, a side by side comparison of Zen and Smug blows SmugMug out of the water. Smug is at least 2 years behind in site development. So in all fairness I would love to hear you guys do a segment on comparing the top five.

  9. Feedback you requested.
    Nikon, Canon, Sony – when there’s a major announcement, cover it.  But stay focused on the announcement.  

    The Nikon D800 discussion began at the 5:00 mark and continued 24 minutes, up to the Hover ad at 28:45.; During that time, 4 minutes were devoted to a megapixel discussion, 2 minutes to the E model and 5 minutes to video, split across two portions of the discussion.  What happened during the other 13 minutes? Excursions down memory lane, “back in the day”, “if money were no object”, Canon video cameras vs DSLR video, “selling the D3”, etc

    Why not focus the entire segment on the specifics of the announcement? So much left unsaid because the discussion was not focused.

  10. Hi Lance,

    I just covered Zenfolio, SmugMug and PhotoShelter in the latest piece on TWiP: Looking for a Flickr Alternative, Part II

  11. TWiP is one of my favorite podcasts.  I think the balance of the show is just about right. So, no good-bad-good sandwich from me.

    This week, I really enjoyed hearing from your new guest, Dan Ablan.  He was a nice addition to the show.

  12. In my opinion, this one of their more  interesting episodes.  Coverage of the D800 was interesting.  I am always interested in the discussion on lenses to have in our bag.

  13. The episode was’t especially “in-depth” at all. Mostly the usual banter about Nikon vs. Canon, “it’s not the equipment – it’s the shooter”, Aperture vs. Lightroom, PS vs PS Elements and the same blah blah. I wish you really would go “in-depth”, cover more manufacturers, cover more geeky stuff. This podcast is, regrettably, getting more and more useless.

  14. TWIP should be called TWIC&NP. If you want to accurately cover more photographic areas and brands you could have guests who do know about them. I understand Nikon and Canon users are your base, and you clearly know Nikon and Canon, but you do frequently come across elitist IMHO.

  15. Why does Nikon get multiple episodes, Canon get 5 minutes and other compaines get next to no time?  I love TWIP but the Nikon bias is getting old. 

  16. Thank you! I know TWIP will be the first ones to mention it!! I wish they could looked into it and let us know!!! Since canon will be introducing new lens. I love listening to these podcasts!!!

  17. I am a Canon 7D shooter and when I heard about the Nikon D800 was coming out with the 36MP I said to my Nikon shooter, “Oh, no big deal, just shoot at a lower resolution.” They stared at me with blank faces. I then realized that only Canon offers mRAW (medium raw) and lRAW (low raw). I never had a use for that as my pixel rate is ok. But I would DEFINITELY shoot at mRAW if I had a unnecessarily high pixel resolution that I know I will not likely use. Do you Nikon users realize that you are living without this? It seems like it would be essential with such a high pixel rate camera that only a small select group of shooters would actual use. Your thoughts,

  18. Adam..

    Question: If the camera does not matter (as is so often said) then why does Nikon, Canon and Apple get all the attention. 

    Answer: Because we’re just regular folk and we talk about the gear we actually own. 

    Question: Why are you a moron if you shoot with anything else than fullframe – unless you shoot with an iPhone in which case you are suddenly God?

    Answer: No one ever said anything of the sort. 

    p.s. I’m flattered you consider us “Tech Media”. 🙂

  19. But Frederic – you ARE tech media! You have listeners (and more than just a few) and your opinion are being listened to. And even though I do understand that you mostly talk about your own gear that is also opening up for crituque for being biased. We are a few listeners (as this debate has shown) that cares about what TWiP says – and who would like to hear your opinion on gear from other manufacturers.

    And as for my remark about the iPhone – you must admit that the show is very biased towards FF-photography – and shooting with an iphone. In many of the shows it has been a point that the iPhone was a fantastic camera. And it is. But the iPhone is not better than your average point-and-shoot. So there is a lot of cameras between the iPhone and the D800. And they are not being taken very seriously by TWiP.